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#1 2017-09-20 16:53:03

MichaelBluejay
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Lobbying for a 4-way stop at Rosewood & Angelina

Jeremy Chichester is lobbying for a 4-way stop at Angelina & Rosewood, following a truck recently running the stop sign on Angelina and swerving into the planters at East Side Pies and taking out the street sign.  I've always thought this intersection was crying out for a four-way stop.  Here's his post on Nextdoor.com, but you'll have to be both a Nextdoor member and live in a nearby neighborhood to see it.

He requested it before, and the City said no.  Another Nextdoor member said the best way to make it happen is to get the NA (neighborhood association) to make the request to the City.  That seems plausible.  Anyone have any insider tips on how to best pitch this idea to the City?

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#2 2017-09-21 08:55:45

RedFalcon
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Re: Lobbying for a 4-way stop at Rosewood & Angelina

A year ago I was able to get a yield sign put up on Parmer at Mopac.   No one wanted to claim responsibility for the intersection, so in the end I contacted Leslie Pool.   One of her aids was really helpful in talking to TXDoT and the city and a month or so later the yield sign was put up. 

Looks like Angelina & Rosewood in in district 1.  I don't know much about Ora Houston, but I would contact her office.

I hate to say this, I know it sounds awfully negative, but he may just have to wait for someone to die there.  If it's a poor area it will take a few before anything gets done.  Better yet, he could see if he can find records of injuries, crashes, fatalities at that intersection to support his case.  Are there businesses there who's owners could be enlisted for help?  They probably want their customers to be safe.

I would do some research on crashes etc. first, then contact the council member and present all the data, including any letters from the city refusing help.  Go in person and then post it all on Nextdoor as well and make sure Houston knows it.  Anything he gets back from her office, good or bad, should be posted on Nextdoor.   She needs to know the community has been made aware and is watching.  These politicians need plenty of sunlight and fresh air to keep from stinking.

He should also go to any informal meetings they sometimes have and talk to the council members aids.  It was by doing this that I discovered that one of Pool's aids is living car free and also depends on cycling to get places.  That helped.

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#3 2017-09-21 11:06:59

MichaelBluejay
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Re: Lobbying for a 4-way stop at Rosewood & Angelina

This is really great advice, thanks!  I'll point Jeremy over here to your suggestions.

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#4 2017-09-21 11:15:55

RedFalcon
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Re: Lobbying for a 4-way stop at Rosewood & Angelina

Some time ago I came across a site that had a map showing past crashes.  I wish I could remember where that was.   If anyone has something like that it would be really useful for situations like this.  I'll look and if I can find it again I will post and bookmark it like I shouls have done before.

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#5 2017-09-21 11:56:31

Jack
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Re: Lobbying for a 4-way stop at Rosewood & Angelina

RedFalcon wrote:

Some time ago I came across a site that had a map showing past crashes.  I wish I could remember where that was.   If anyone has something like that it would be really useful for situations like this.  I'll look and if I can find it again I will post and bookmark it like I shouls have done before.

This?  https://bicycleaustin.info/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1801

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#6 2017-09-22 03:09:23

MichaelBluejay
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Re: Lobbying for a 4-way stop at Rosewood & Angelina

Someone posted this in that Nextdoor.com thread:

Eric Fisher wrote:

it's my observation that Austin's bicycling community has no use for stop signs. So the question is: Why should I, or any other sensible person give a rat's butt for the opinions of serial traffic code violators?

You can guess my reply.

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#7 2017-09-24 19:04:54

RedFalcon
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Re: Lobbying for a 4-way stop at Rosewood & Angelina


Thanks, yeah, maybe that was it.   I followed some of those links, and the most useful I found was this:  https://cris.dot.state.tx.us/public/Que … ic/welcome


Some of the others just showed a high level view of crash distribution.  Not enough detail to argue for any particular intersection.


But, this one looks like you can mark out an area on the map to find info on crashes.  I can't seem to make it work, but that is VERY likely to be user error.  Michael, if the guy trying to research that intersection is more computer savvy he can probably make sense of it.   I'm going to keep playing with it, but if someone figures out how to use this to bring up crash details about a given intersection, I would really like to know more.

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#8 2017-09-25 09:08:30

Darron
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Re: Lobbying for a 4-way stop at Rosewood & Angelina

Interesting database!  I did a quick query and it returned 16 crashes at that intersection (1 on Angelina and 15 on Rosewood) since 2010.  I was able to export the data as as CSV file which I emailed to Michael (maybe he can get it to his neighbor).

Seems like a lot of crashes in 7 years.

Darron

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#9 2017-09-25 11:50:08

MichaelBluejay
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Re: Lobbying for a 4-way stop at Rosewood & Angelina

Thanks for the data, Darron!  I'm posting it here and I'll point my neighbor to it:

Crash ID	Crash Severity	       Crash Time Year	Day of Week
11548016	Possible Injury           1941	  2010	Friday
11738499	Not Injured               1148	  2010	Saturday
11940709	Not Injured               1045	  2011	Sunday
12246513	Non-Incapacitating Injury 1737	  2011	Monday
13662480	Not Injured               1333	  2014	Friday
13910858	Not Injured               1407	  2014	Friday
13922283	Not Injured                220	  2014	Saturday
14045296	Possible Injury	          1952	  2014	Friday
14277575	Non-Incapacitating Injury 1953	  2015	Friday
14388397	Not Injured               1706	  2015	Thursday
14481833	Not Injured               1612	  2015	Wednesday
14590939	Incapacitating Injury       36	  2015	Sunday
14809517	Not Injured               1516	  2015	Friday
15948468	Not Injured               2018	  2017	Tuesday
15958202	Not Injured               1229	  2017	Friday
15562423	Non-Incapacitating Injury 1702	  2017	Saturday

[edited to add another crash that Darron found]

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