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#1 2017-12-05 17:46:34

dougmc
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Shoal Creek, part trois (?)

This was posted to the Facebooks (and more discussion here) --

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It's not hard to tell which side of things the makers of this flyer are on.

In any event, somehow I suspect this may even be more than part three, and Michael has documented some of the previous attempts really well ... and I guess here we go again!

(That said, if this is the plan, I'm not sure I'm in favor of a two-way bike lane on anything but a one-way street ...)

It's all that accursed "downtown entity" !

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#2 2017-12-05 20:32:01

RedFalcon
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Re: Shoal Creek, part trois (?)

Riding against the flow of traffic while crossing busy intersections.   The whole way from 38th to Foster?  What could possibly go wrong??   I' m not anti-bike lane, but I am anti stupid bike lane.  If they build it, I will not go there.

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#3 2017-12-06 18:56:44

MichaelBluejay
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Re: Shoal Creek, part trois (?)

dougmc, I didn't just *document* previous attempts, I *spearheaded* the 1996 attempt.  Pretty much by myself, but only because I couldn't get anyone else interested in helping me push for it.  I thought the fact that city staff was recommending car-free bike lanes too might be enough.  It wasn't.  Anyway, here's my report on that first attempt.

On the current plan, Bike Austin's website, typically, doesn't have any level of detail about what they're proposing for Shoal Creek Blvd., besides "Add protected bike lanes to serve people of all-ages and abilities on the street" and "Improve the street for more experienced bicyclists through signage, on-street markings and traffic calming."

I've begged Bike Austin to occasionally post what they're up to here (on the BICYCLE Austin forum), but they refused.

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#4 2018-12-03 17:49:48

Jack
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Re: Shoal Creek, part trois (?)

Quatre?  http://austintexas.gov/sites/default/fi … 112118.pdf  A new phase for the Shoal Creek Massacre is beginning.  https://data.austintexas.gov/stories/s/yjim-unm2

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#5 2018-12-13 21:42:28

RedFalcon
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Re: Shoal Creek, part trois (?)

In spite of my earlier comment about not wanting to ride on a contra-flow bike lane, I ended up getting involved in this Shoal Creek bike lane effort anyway.  I am still opposed to these contra-flow protected lanes because...intersections...and driveways.  BUT, I AM in favor of banning all on street parking on SCB.  Ban on street parking and we could have a pretty good north to south bike lane route that doesn't include door zones and needless contra-flow confusion. Throw in some traffic calming and you could almost pretend you were in an advanced First World Country. 

Why should people be allowed to store their private property on a public road designed to move people? A couple of years ago my daughter and her kids moved in with me and now my garage is overstuffed.  Does that mean I can now rent a pod unit and store my private property on the street in front of my shitty rat infested duplex*?  Do the other tax payers have to help me cover the costs of the decisions I made about how much stuff I own?

Suggesting banning parking on SCB will go over about as well as herpes in a whore house, but for anyone who agrees, maybe you could add a supporting comment to the COA survey:

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ShoalCreekBlvdSurvey.

I went to the meeting with Leslie Pool a couple of weeks ago as well as a few other meetings and of course the NIMBY Carnivale at Gullet last night.  Pool talks a good talk, but I trust about as much as I would trust my 10' Burmese Python alone with my hamster**.   Even after talking about her own cycle commuting she couldn't manage to give a full-throated commitment to plans that would help kids safely bike to school.  Well, I guess JFK isn't around to write a sequel to 'Profiles in Courage' anyway.

I was early to the Gullet NIMBYfest last night, so I rode up and down SCB from Foster to 2222 and looked at the driveways.  Wow!  I was prepared to think about considering toning down my radical anti-parking stance, but WOW.  These rich people have plenty of parking on their properties as it is!  SO, if the "But, we need to be able to park someplace" comes up, that is 100% Grade A, USDA prime bullshit.  And it will come up.  At the open house they had maps with post-it notes so people could make comments. I made the mistake of reading a few.  From being on the BAC, I know some of the city staff who where there.  I talked to one and she told me she was going to have to read all of those comments. I told her that I would rather be boiled alive in my own blood than have to read those post it notes.  I suggested she call in sick for a day or two.

Today at work my boss gave me a stupid boring task to do.  As I sat there thinking about how much I hated doing it I thought about how the city ATD staff are reading those NIMBY notes right now and I said "Yes, boss, right away boss, I'll be happy to do this stupid meaningless job, boss!"


* I see the SCB bike lane debate as a proxy war between the Haves v the Have Nots. The rich and well connected usually get what they want.  A single member of the Landed Aristocracy in an Austin neighborhood can kill a potentially decent bike lane and force a stupid compromise that is Unsafe at any Speed.

** I don't really have hamsters or snakes.

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#6 2018-12-14 06:17:24

MichaelBluejay
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Re: Shoal Creek, part trois (?)

I feel your pain, Red.  Thirteen years ago I led a one-person effort to try to ban parking in bike lanes on Shoal Creek, one-person only because I couldn't rally any support from within the bike community.  I was miffed that cyclists flooded Council chambers to oppose the proposed resurrection of the adult bike helmet law, but when we had the chance to kick cars out of bike lanes then where were they?  City staff had actually proposed the parking ban, and I showed up to Council with pictures and video illustrating the problem, and then council proceeded to officially give the green light to continued parking in bike lanes.

I know I'm a broken record on this, but it's the *attitudes* behind the support for parking in bike lanes, more than the parking in bike lanes itself, which is why we have a safety problem.  We can build facilities out the wazoo, but until we change drivers' hearts and minds, the roads will never be safe.  Europe isn't safer to ride because they have more bike lanes.  It's safer to ride because drivers there respect cyclists' right to keep living.

P.S.  I filled out the survey.

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#7 2018-12-14 13:21:29

Jack
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Re: Shoal Creek, part trois (?)

Thanks for posting the survey link, RF.  In terms of false "bike friendliness" the proposed two-way lane hits a lot of notes for those who don't understand what bicycle riders really need to be safe, but the reality of it is that implementing the proposal would make Shoal Creek riding far worse for riders of all skill levels than it is today.

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