BIKE: Breaking the law

[D'Amico]

I wave cars by at Stops and let them go first...then I
roll through the stop sign. I haven't hurt a single
car yet.


--- Joel Sumner <joelsumner> wrote:
> I think it doesn't matter how we classify it or
> whether we feel it even 
> qualifies as breaking the law.  It only matters what
> the perception is 
> among people who affect our issues.  If people who
> make decisions on 
> these things are anti-bike because of the perception
> that we break laws, 
> then their perception trumps all other arguments. 
> Period.
> 
> You either
> 1) change cyclists' behavior,
> 2) change the perception that those "people that
> matter" have about cyclists
> 3) decide that "people that matter" don't have this
> opinion and it's fine
> 
> So, which is it going to be?  So, are we getting
> screwed by "people who 
> matter"?  If so, then we either need to deal with #1
> or #2.
> 
> -Joel
> 
> 
> Michael Bluejay wrote:
> 
> >
> > On Apr 29, 2005, at 2:02 PM, Mike Dahmus wrote:
> >
> >> And anyways, motorists don't break the law to the
> degree that cyclists
> >> do. Period. I'll refer you again to the "rolling
> stop vs.
> >> blowing-the-stop-sign completely" argument, or
> the "running the orange
> >> vs. running the middle of a red" argument. Let me
> know which one you'd
> >> rather have this time ;+)
> >
> >
> >
> > (groan)  I'll say it again:  If you have to retort
> with, "Oh, it's 
> > okay because motorists break the law *to a lesser
> extent* than 
> > cyclists do," then I'll point out the obvious
> again:
> >
> >     If that's your argument, then you do NOT have
> a problem with 
> > cyclists "breaking the law".  You have a problem
> with HOW they break 
> > the law.  If that's the case, then why do you and
> the others claim 
> > that the problem is that cyclists break the law,
> rather than HOW they 
> > break the law?  Why do you say dog when you mean
> cat?
> >
> > A friend and I were discussing the movie the
> Shawshank Redemption, and 
> > I said it was a bit violent for my tastes.  She
> replied, "No, it's not 
> > violent, it's a great movie!"  I never said it
> wasn't a great movie, I 
> > said it was VIOLENT.
> >
> > So why is it okay for Dahmus and the motorists to
> complain about 
> > cyclists breaking the law when in their world it's
> okay to break the 
> > law in certain circumstances?  Either you care
> about people breaking 
> > the law or you don't.  If you do care, then it
> applies to everyone.  
> > If you don't care, then you should stop saying you
> do.
> >
> > -MBJ-
> >
> >
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woof...woof woof. Hisssssssss. Grrrrrrr.
D'Amico
damico
http://www.damicoaustin.com

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