BIKE: right turn lanes on 360
Fred Meredith
bikin-fred
Fri Oct 1 08:22:13 PDT 2004
Give that officer a cigar for being one of the few who at least knows
the law that applies. So often they don't know the law and tend to make
stuff up that makes sense to their auto-centric mind set.
Lane, you are applying a bike-centric mindset as well. I understand
where you are coming from and it has a lot to do with speed
differential between road users. It also has a lot to do with not
trusting other roadusers to follow traffic principles. You may or may
not have grounds for that one.
The main problem with putting up "special" signage that changes the law
for a particular group in a particular place, is that it tends to
complicate and confuse in other situations. You correctly identify the
problem with those signs that read, "Right turn only, except bicycles"
in that we don't know whether that special rule should or does apply
elsewhere.
The biggest problem I have with 360 is the use of exit and entrance
ramps instead of right-angle intersections with traffic controls.
If you approach a traffic controlled intersection you should avoid a
right turn only lane and position yourself in the right side of the
rightmost straight through lane. That's sound vehicular cycling
principle. BUT, yes, it is scary if the other road users are not
slowiing for the possibility of the light changing. These intersections
are safest to approach on the red light, where everyone has a chance to
sort out their position.
I don't know the answer in advance for each situation (I evaluate all
of the conditions and mesh them with the law and see what pops up in
each case) and I don't necessarily always go with the vehicular cycling
answer where exit ramps are concerned. It is tough, but you are
supposed to be in the traffic lane unless you are exiting and finding a
long enough empty space to bridge that exit ramp (since the distance
you have to travel is much, much longer than with a conventional
intersection) makes it pretty tough.
My take on the particular situation would be to credit the officer with
knowledge of the law and as the engineers to come up with something
better for us to use. I think that ramps are only appropriate on
limited access freeways, like I-35 and Mopac and bicycles are
specifically prohibited in the metropolitan parts of both. For good
reason.
Fred (coffee is kicking in just right) Meredith
On Oct 1, 2004, at 9:37 AM, Lane S. Wimberley wrote:
> Good morning fair Austin cyclists!
>
> On another list today, I learned about some cyclists out on 360 being
> informed by APD that (a) APD is involved in stepping up enforcement of
> traffic laws among cyclists (and hopefully other road users), and (b)
> that proceeding straight through an intersection from a right
> turn-only lane to the shoulder on the other side is a ticketable
> offense. The riders merely got a warning this time, but were told by
> the officer that the proper way to handle these intersections is to
> merge into right-lane traffic prior to the intersection, and move back
> over to the shoulder once through the intersection, and that tickets
> will be issued for such offenses starting very soon.
>
> Needless to say, this law is counter-intuitive to cyclists, as well as
> arguably impractical and downright dangerous. I'll spare the
> discussion of why as I suspect all/most on this list already know and
> agree. (Oh, silly me! ;-)
>
> Now, strictly speaking, I believe the officer was correct, as Texas
> law says that, with few exceptions, cyclists are bound by the same
> rules as motorists, so if it's right-turn only with no exception for
> bikes made explicit, then it's right turn-only.
>
> I will say, though, that I suspect the "right turn only except
> cyclists" signs on bike routes around town do tend to convince
> cyclists that this is normal, safe and expected behavior where there
> is a right turn-only lane, sign or no sign. And, arguably it should
> be.
>
> Here's my feeling: right turn only should not apply to cyclists on 360
> (and possibly other places without explicit exception for bikes
> currently). It seems the most straight-forward solution (as opposed
> to changing Texas law or APD/TxDOT enforcement policy) is to get
> signage out there to make exception for bikes explicit.
>
> Is this something that UTC would take up? Is that the right place to
> start?
>
> Comments? Discussion?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Lane
>
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