BIKE: Re: bike bags
Rafael Paonessa
rpaonessa
Fri Jun 25 18:15:22 PDT 2004
REI sells the Ortlieb panniers. These are the ones you want if you're looking for a totally waterproof bag. If total waterproofing is not a priority, I can recommend REI panniers without hesitation. I have a pair that I've used for commuting almost everyday for the last six or seven years now and they're in excellent shape. As with all REI-brand products, the quality is very good and the prices are always right.
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:01:42 -0700
From: "Lauren Strickler" <lauren>
Subject: Re: BIKE: Bike rack bags
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I swear by Arkel Overdesign. Really, really high quality materials and bags. They also sell separate rain coverings for each style bag. Well worth every penny. I even use one of them every day to protect my nicest pannier (a briefcase style) from fading in the sun (and the bright yellow makes me more visible). The one problem i had was with the briefcase - it has a velcro thing to cover the hooks for it to attach to the rack for use as a normal bag. Problem is, the velcro didn't totally stick to itself, meaning it rubbed against my clothes. Before I realized this, it had damaged a few of my really nice clothes (suits). I called them to complain, and their response was sorry, we've fixed the problem now. Didn't really help me, so now I carry the briefcase backwards to protect my clothes. Kind of defeats the purpose of making it look nice and like a normal bag, because it looks pretty silly and awkward backwards. But, except for that, their customer service has been
great - really prompt and personable. We have four of their panniers, and like them all. All the features you'd want - multiple pockets, good sized, sturdy, reflective stripes, etc. They do cost a lot, but just like was said earlier, all good panniers do.
I'm not sure where in town you can find Arkel - I've usually ordered on-line at www.arkel-od.com. Their customer service is also good at helping you decide what will meet your needs, and their web site is also very informative - everything from dimensions to user testimonials, to very specific specs and answers to any questions you may have.
Lauren Strickler
512-567-9171
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Original Message:
>From: Patrick Goetz <pgoetz>
>To: forum-bicycleaustin.info
>Subject: Re: BIKE: Bike rack bags
>Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:51:47 -0500
>Michael Zakes wrote:
>> I'll vouch for the Jandd stuff as well, I have a commuter pack with 10+ years of use
>> and it's still running great. the only one I've ever seen come back for warranty was
>> owned by the most destructive forces in the world, a 14 yr old boy
>
>It sounds like Jandd is the consensus; I have 5 Jandd bags, one which
>I've been using every day for around 7 years, and have yet to have one
>break. Allegedly they come with a lifetime warranty, but I've heard
>there are problems getting them to honor this. All saddle bags seem to
>be kind of expensive; Jandd is no exception.
>
>The one thing that is not convenient about Jandd bags is that they're
>not particulary waterproof. If it's raining hard, all your stuff will
>get wet. I've taken to carrying plastic shopping bags in my Jandd bag
>all the time and wrapping everything up in plastic bags when it starts
>to rain.
>
>Last time I was in Germany/Austria I noticed that everyone was using
>saddlebags that included a nifty raincoat attachment that covered the
>outside of the bag. After a good deal of research, I figured out that
>they were probably made by this company:
>
> http://www.ortlieb.de/
>
>These bags truly appear to be the top of the line in bicycle saddlebags,
>but they also cost $$$, and I'm not sure you can buy them at any bike
>shop in town.
>
>Finally, for commuting, these 3 would be my top choices. (The top one
>-- Jandd -- is the one I've been using every day for 7 years; if I ever
>have opportunity to get a new one I'll probably splurge and get the last
>in this list, the Ortlieb.)
>
> http://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FCP
> http://www.panniers.com/index.asp
> http://www.ortlieb.de/_prod.php?lang=en&produkt=officebag
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:08:45 -0500
From: Patrick Goetz <pgoetz>
Subject: Re: BIKE: Bike rack bags
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Patrick Goetz wrote:
>
> http://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FCP
> http://www.panniers.com/index.asp
> http://www.ortlieb.de/_prod.php?lang=en&produkt=officebag
> _______________________________________________
Oops, looks like Arkel has one of those annoying web pages that don't
show exact URLs.
After going to http://www.panniers.com/index.asp, click on "Products"
and then scroll down to the one called "Briefcase" -- this is the bag I
was talking about. Quite handsome with a special insert for carrying
laptops, but costs $149.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:36:54 -0500
From: Chris McConnell <mcchris>
Subject: BIKE: Ich liebe Ortlieb! (was Bike rack bags)
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I'll vouch for the quality of Ortlieb's products. I carry an Ortlieb messenger
bag for daily use. The construction is incredible; the main bag is a thick,
heavy vinyl, covered with heavy nylon. The inside is lined with a padded pocket
for my laptop. The material alone would be enough to keep the insides dry, but
the bag also has a long plastic bar across the top to keep the top rigid when
you fold the flap over the top. Finally, the main shoulder strap is a thick as
a seat belt and the suspension system is comfy and easy to adjust. I am so
impressed with this bag I created a "German Messenger Bags" community on Orkut
to talk about Ortlieb and other Deutsche bags.
Ortlieb also makes top-notch dry bags for paddling, so I imagine that any rain
covers they make would be off the chain.
Cheers,
-C
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Chris McConnell
mcchris
http://www.infobong.com
Quoting Patrick Goetz <pgoetz>:
> Michael Zakes wrote:
> > I'll vouch for the Jandd stuff as well, I have a commuter pack with 10+
> years of use
> > and it's still running great. the only one I've ever seen come back for
> warranty was
> > owned by the most destructive forces in the world, a 14 yr old boy
>
> It sounds like Jandd is the consensus; I have 5 Jandd bags, one which
> I've been using every day for around 7 years, and have yet to have one
> break. Allegedly they come with a lifetime warranty, but I've heard
> there are problems getting them to honor this. All saddle bags seem to
> be kind of expensive; Jandd is no exception.
>
> The one thing that is not convenient about Jandd bags is that they're
> not particulary waterproof. If it's raining hard, all your stuff will
> get wet. I've taken to carrying plastic shopping bags in my Jandd bag
> all the time and wrapping everything up in plastic bags when it starts
> to rain.
>
> Last time I was in Germany/Austria I noticed that everyone was using
> saddlebags that included a nifty raincoat attachment that covered the
> outside of the bag. After a good deal of research, I figured out that
> they were probably made by this company:
>
> http://www.ortlieb.de/
>
> These bags truly appear to be the top of the line in bicycle saddlebags,
> but they also cost $$$, and I'm not sure you can buy them at any bike
> shop in town.
>
> Finally, for commuting, these 3 would be my top choices. (The top one
> -- Jandd -- is the one I've been using every day for 7 years; if I ever
> have opportunity to get a new one I'll probably splurge and get the last
> in this list, the Ortlieb.)
>
> http://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FCP
> http://www.panniers.com/index.asp
> http://www.ortlieb.de/_prod.php?lang=en&produkt=officebag
> _______________________________________________
> Get on or off this list here:
> http://lists.bicycleaustin.info/listinfo.cgi/forum-bicycleaustin.info
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