BIKE: Re: SCB modifications and public hearing

[kristen theiler]

Thanks, Stuart, but I understand how SCB is intended
to be ridden. My point was that motorists don't
necessarily know this. I disagree that there's a safe
amount of room between the curb extensions, me & my
bike, and a passing motorist holding his line in his
lane. Those SUV & truck mirrors stick out a greater
distance than many drivers seem to realize. Just my
opinion.
--- Stuart Werbner <stuwerb> wrote:

> There is no need to meander.
> 
> What you need to do is to stay inside the left/outer
> edge of the unofficial 
> bicycle lane, nearest the travel lane.
> 
> It is perfectly understandable that as a cyclist,
> you have been 
> "indoctrinated" into thinking that you have to ride
> as far to the right as 
> possible. We all seemed to be ingrained with this
> rule from a very early 
> age.
> 
> But, SCB is safe enough, and the gap between the
> curb extensions and the 
> travel lane, is wide enough for you to ride within
> the outside/left edge.
> 
> Give this a try. I'm sure you will have a much
> better riding experience. 
> This is how SCB was intended to be biked, with the
> traffic calming.
> 
> FYI,
> 
>    __o
> _`\<,_
> (*)/ (*)
> ~~~~~~~~~
> Stuart Werbner
> Annuit Coeptis
> 
> 
> 
> >From: kristen theiler <kptheiler>
> >To: Patrick Goetz <pgoetz>,
> stgetr,Austin Bikes 
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> >Subject: Re: BIKE: Re: SCB modifications and public
> hearing
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> >I'm quite amazed that anyone who has biked the new
> and
> >improved SCB would state it's a success. I have a
> few
> >friends who aren't very into biking (a 10 mile
> round
> >trip once a week is their norm) who initially told
> me
> >they thought the new striping was going to be a
> good
> >thing. After riding it once I got calls from each
> of
> >them asking what the curb extensions were and
> telling
> >me how much they disliked the new road. These guys
> >rarely ride. SCB is on my commuting route and what
> >used to be one of my favorite stretches is now one
> of
> >my least. And that sucks. If motorists understood
> the
> >reasons cyclists felt it necessary and safer to
> ride
> >close to the stripe, perhaps this could work. The
> fact
> >is, motorists who are not also cyclists think we
> >should be as close to the curb as possible and not
> >interfering with them. Putting myself in a
> motorist's
> >shoes, this makes sense b/c I'm sure most of them
> >don't know about dooring, about how this multi-use
> >lane isn't a bike lane, etc. As much as we know
> what's
> >safe, they take it as us being ignorant a$$holes in
> >funny clothes who get in their way when we have
> lots
> >of room to move over and they have these small
> driving
> >lanes. I have also witnessed numerous motorists
> >driving partially in the multi-use lane. Very
> rarely
> >do I experience them going extremely fast, but the
> >meadering into the multi-use lane is quite
> bothersome
> >to me.
> >
> >--- Patrick Goetz <pgoetz> wrote:
> >
> > > stgetr wrote:
> > >  > I received a copy of your note urging
> cyclists to
> > > attend the May 11
> > >  > hearing on SCB.  I think that is a very good
> > > idea, but don't share your
> > >  > strong feelings against the SCB changes.  In
> > > fact, I have ridden SCB
> > >  > several times since it was finished (for a
> total
> > > of probably 4-5 hours),
> > >  > and think it is a surprising success.
> > > <snip>
> > > > now that SCB is finished, I think the design
> is a
> > > very good
> > > > solution to the problem of cycling on a
> through
> > > street in a quiet
> > > > residential neighborhood.  Note, BTW, that the
> > > islands are NOT intended
> > > > to slow traffic down; they are intended to
> keep
> > > motorists from trying to
> > > > drive in the bike/parking lane.  Motorist
> speed is
> > > reduced because of
> > > > the quite narrow lane striping, and in my
> > > experience it has been
> > > > successful.  Where there were occasional
> drivers
> > > at 45-50 mph in the
> > > > past,  most motorists now seem to be doing
> 25-30
> > > mph.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well, I have every intention of being civil at
> the
> > > scheduled hearings,
> > > but don't agree that the design is a very good
> > > solution and will hazard
> > > a guess that most other cyclists don't, either.
> > > When I mentioned the
> > > opinion voiced in the message above to some
> other
> 
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