BIKE: RE: Forum-bicycleaustin.info Digest, Vol 12, Issue 21
Tad Gilbreath
tadgilbreath
Mon Sep 27 09:21:17 PDT 2004
I'm definitely in support. I live just 4 blocks from Cedar Street. I'm not
one who is able to organize, but I'd definitly show up if we get something
planned.
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> 1. Lorenzo Sadun -- write-in candidate for district 10
> (Lane S. Wimberley)
> 2. Cedar Street cuts bike locks (Michael Bluejay)
> 3. Re: Cedar Street cuts bike locks (David Dobbs)
> 4. Re: Cedar Street cuts bike locks (Michael Bluejay)
> 5. Re: Cedar Street cuts bike locks (Lane S. Wimberley)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:37:47 -0500
>From: "Lane S. Wimberley" <lane>
>Subject: BIKE: Lorenzo Sadun -- write-in candidate for district 10
>To: Austin Bikes <forum>
>Message-ID: <E1CBfmF-0003JI-00 at pythagoras>
>
>Dear Austin Bike folks,
>
>I would like to encourage any district 10 residents out there to
>strongly consider voting for Lorenzo Sadun for district 10
>representative. He is definitely the pro-bike candidate, having been
>a bike commuter himself. By contrast, republican candidate McCaul is
>partially funded by his father-in-law's company, Clear Channel
>Communications.
>
>He is a write-in candidate, which means that district 10 voters will
>need to actually write in his name on the ballot, even if they are
>voting straight democratic ticket.
>
>To learn more about Lorenzo Sadun, visit the following websites...
>
>http://www.writeinsadun.org/
>http://www.texastuesdays.com/archives/000094.html
>http://www.joehilldispatch.org/fortworth/archives/004343.html
>
>Please help me spread the word about Lorenzo Sadun. It's an uphill
>battle against the likes of big-business conservatives like McCaul,
>but it certainly aint gonna happen without some serious grass-roots
>effort.
>
>Thanks,
>
>-Lane
>
>
>_______________________________________________________________________
>Lane Wimberley, Wayport, Inc., 512.519.6195 (voice) 512.519.6200 (fax)
>Southpark Commerce Center II, 4509 Freidrich Lane, Austin, TX 78744
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 01:33:07 -0500
>From: Michael Bluejay <bikes>
>Subject: BIKE: Cedar Street cuts bike locks
>To: forum
>Message-ID: <180CB52C-104F-11D9-978E-00039312C130>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Thought you all would want to see this....
>
>-MBJ-
>
>----------------------------------
>
>From: Amy Chambless <achambless>
>Date: September 24, 2004 4:26:22 PM CDT
>To: mail, stgetr, aca,
>BicycleMail, stephen.kreidler,
>info
>Subject: Lack of Racks...
>
>Hello...
>
>I wanted to inform everyone of a "policy" at the Cedar Street bar/annex
>to hopefully prevent what happened to me from happening to others.
>
>This past Thursday evening I met co-workers there for happy hour. I am
>a cyclist and rode my bike downtown because I enjoy riding, but also
>to help alleviate some of the traffic and parking congestion downtown.
>Upon my arrival at the Cedar Street bar I discovered there are not any
>bike racks, so I locked my bike to the staircase railing that leads
>down to the outdoor patio. I was conscientious enough to ensure that
>my bike was not in the way of passer-by's or folks coming into the
>bar. Later that evening , when I returned to retrieve my bike...it
>was gone! You can imagine the helplessness I felt thinking I was
>stranded and that someone had stolen my bicycle. I approached the door
>men at Cedar Street and was informed that they had cut the lock off my
>bike and removed it from the premises because they felt it was in
>their way. I explained to them that I felt it was wrong to destroy
>my (or anyone ' s) personal property.
>
>The doormen returned my bike and broken lock, but told me that I was
>lucky that they hadn't just thrown my bike into the street. When I
>requested to speak with the owner about being reimbursed for my
>lock, I was refused with the excuse that he would 'tear me to
>shreds . ' The door men suggested that if I want a place to lock my
>bike up , I should take it up with the city instead. They also
>told me that they cut bike locks all the time .
>
>So, what?...if you park your car in front of the Cedar Street bar and
>they don't like your parking job, will they break your windows to
>move it ? I am appalled that after spending money in thier facility
>that I would be treated so poorly. So much for trying to make more
>parking spaces available for more patrons to visit thier bar...which I
>will never do again.
>
>Be Warned Cyclists,
>Angry and without a bike lock
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 03:04:59 -0500
>From: David Dobbs <ddobbs>
>Subject: Re: BIKE: Cedar Street cuts bike locks
>To: forum
>Cc: Amy Chambless <achambless>
>Message-ID: <v0421010bbd7d6f949d55@[24.28.73.93]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>I'd be willing to show up with two or three dozen cyclists to give
>these tough guys a little bicycle view point on this matter and call
>the press about it, too. Signs and noise outside the bar on their
>busiest night protesting the mistreatment of a lady would certainly
>make the Cedar Street owners very uncomfortable and get a lot of
>public sympathy. Downtown doesn't need bad neighbors or more cars on
>the street and a press release prepared making these points should be
>sent to (a) the media, (b) the Downtown Austin Alliance, (c) the
>Chamber of Commerce, and (d) Austin City Council Members. Television
>would love a protest like this as it would be very visual.
>
>This would also spotlight the failure of the city to be aggressively
>promoting bike racks and the failure of businesses to get bike
>parking at little or no expense to them. Bike racks are still free
>for the asking from the city, right?
>
>For the record here, I presume we are talking about the Cedar Street
>Courtyard at 208 W Fourth Street? That's the only bar I can find
>downtown with "Cedar" in its name.
>
>Dave Dobbs
>==================
>Dave Dobbs
>ddobbs
>Austin, Texas
>==================
>
>
>
> >Thought you all would want to see this....
> >
> >-MBJ-
> >
> >----------------------------------
> >
> >From: Amy Chambless <achambless>
> >Date: September 24, 2004 4:26:22 PM CDT
> >To: mail, stgetr, aca,
> >BicycleMail, stephen.kreidler,
> >info
> >Subject: Lack of Racks...
> >
> >Hello...
> >
> >I wanted to inform everyone of a "policy" at the Cedar Street
> >bar/annex to hopefully prevent what happened to me from happening to
> >others.
> >
> >This past Thursday evening I met co-workers there for happy hour. I
> >am a cyclist and rode my bike downtown because I enjoy riding, but
> >also to help alleviate some of the traffic and parking congestion
> >downtown. Upon my arrival at the Cedar Street bar I discovered
> >there are not any bike racks, so I locked my bike to the staircase
> >railing that leads down to the outdoor patio. I was conscientious
> >enough to ensure that my bike was not in the way of passer-by's or
> >folks coming into the bar. Later that evening , when I returned to
> >retrieve my bike...it was gone! You can imagine the helplessness I
> >felt thinking I was stranded and that someone had stolen my
> >bicycle. I approached the door men at Cedar Street and was informed
> >that they had cut the lock off my bike and removed it from
> >the premises because they felt it was in their way. I
> >explained to them that I felt it was wrong to destroy my (or
> >anyone ' s) personal property.
> >
> >The doormen returned my bike and broken lock, but told me that I was
> >lucky that they hadn't just thrown my bike into the
> >street. When I requested to speak with the owner about being
> >reimbursed for my lock, I was refused with the excuse
> >that he would 'tear me to shreds . ' The door men suggested
> >that if I want a place to lock my bike up , I should take it up
> >with the city instead. They also told me that they cut bike locks
> >all the time .
> >
> >So, what?...if you park your car in front of the Cedar Street
> >bar and they don't like your parking job, will they break your
> >windows to move it ? I am appalled that after spending money
> >in thier facility that I would be treated so poorly. So much for
> >trying to make more parking spaces available for more patrons to
> >visit thier bar...which I will never do again.
> >
> >Be Warned Cyclists,
> >Angry and without a bike lock
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Get on or off this list here: http://BicycleAustin.info/list
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>Message: 4
>Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 03:12:39 -0500
>From: Michael Bluejay <bikes>
>Subject: Re: BIKE: Cedar Street cuts bike locks
>To: David Dobbs <ddobbs>
>Cc: Amy Chambless <achambless>, forum
>Message-ID: <FF73F4CA-105C-11D9-978E-00039312C130>
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>
>I'm in if someone wants to plan a protest. I can't organize it, but
>I'll show up.
>
>If we do have a protest then we should have concrete wishes for what
>we'd like Cedar Street to do, e.g.
>(1) provide bike parking,
>(2) install signage where they don't want bikes parked
>(3) not cut locks off bikes.
>
>One thing that UT used to do (and may still do) if you parked at the
>Union where they didn't want you to park, was to put their OWN lock on
>your bike along with an insulting note, telling you to go get the
>building manager to unlock your bike. Maybe Cedar Street could lock
>bikes instead of cutting the customers' locks.
>
>Regarding Dave's point about the city, there may be a failure by the
>*City* to aggressively promote bike racks, but not a failure of the
>City's *Bicycle Program*, since that department has done everything
>they could to get bike racks out there with limited budget and staff.
>
>-MBJ-
>
>
>On Sep 27, 2004, at 3:04 AM, David Dobbs wrote:
>
> > I'd be willing to show up with two or three dozen cyclists to give
> > these tough guys a little bicycle view point on this matter and call
> > the press about it, too. Signs and noise outside the bar on their
> > busiest night protesting the mistreatment of a lady would certainly
> > make the Cedar Street owners very uncomfortable and get a lot of
> > public sympathy. Downtown doesn't need bad neighbors or more cars on
> > the street and a press release prepared making these points should be
> > sent to (a) the media, (b) the Downtown Austin Alliance, (c) the
> > Chamber of Commerce, and (d) Austin City Council Members. Television
> > would love a protest like this as it would be very visual.
> >
> > This would also spotlight the failure of the city to be aggressively
> > promoting bike racks and the failure of businesses to get bike parking
> > at little or no expense to them. Bike racks are still free for the
> > asking from the city, right?
> >
> > For the record here, I presume we are talking about the Cedar Street
> > Courtyard at 208 W Fourth Street? That's the only bar I can find
> > downtown with "Cedar" in its name.
> >
> > Dave Dobbs
> > ==================
> > Dave Dobbs
> > ddobbs
> > Austin, Texas
> > ==================
> >
> >
> >
> >> Thought you all would want to see this....
> >>
> >> -MBJ-
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------
> >>
> >> From: Amy Chambless <achambless>
> >> Date: September 24, 2004 4:26:22 PM CDT
> >> To: mail, stgetr, aca,
> >> BicycleMail, stephen.kreidler,
> >> info
> >> Subject: Lack of Racks...
> >>
> >> Hello...
> >>
> >> I wanted to inform everyone of a "policy" at the Cedar Street
> >> bar/annex to hopefully prevent what happened to me from happening to
> >> others.
> >>
> >> This past Thursday evening I met co-workers there for happy hour. I
> >> am a cyclist and rode my bike downtown because I enjoy riding, but
> >> also to help alleviate some of the traffic and parking congestion
> >> downtown. Upon my arrival at the Cedar Street bar I discovered there
> >> are not any bike racks, so I locked my bike to the staircase railing
> >> that leads down to the outdoor patio. I was conscientious enough to
> >> ensure that my bike was not in the way of passer-by's or folks coming
> >> into the bar. Later that evening , when I returned to retrieve my
> >> bike...it was gone! You can imagine the helplessness I felt
> >> thinking I was stranded and that someone had stolen my bicycle. I
> >> approached the door men at Cedar Street and was informed that they
> >> had cut the lock off my bike and removed it from the premises
> >> because they felt it was in their way. I explained to them that
> >> I felt it was wrong to destroy my (or anyone ' s) personal property.
> >>
> >> The doormen returned my bike and broken lock, but told me that I was
> >> lucky that they hadn't just thrown my bike into the street. When I
> >> requested to speak with the owner about being reimbursed for my lock,
> >> I was refused with the excuse that he would 'tear me to shreds
> >> . ' The door men suggested that if I want a place to lock my bike up
> >> , I should take it up with the city instead. They also told me
> >> that they cut bike locks all the time .
> >>
> >> So, what?...if you park your car in front of the Cedar Street bar
> >> and they don't like your parking job, will they break your windows
> >> to move it ? I am appalled that after spending money in thier
> >> facility that I would be treated so poorly. So much for trying to
> >> make more parking spaces available for more patrons to visit thier
> >> bar...which I will never do again.
> >>
> >> Be Warned Cyclists,
> >> Angry and without a bike lock
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Get on or off this list here: http://BicycleAustin.info/list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Get on or off this list here: http://BicycleAustin.info/list
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:20:30 -0500
>From: "Lane S. Wimberley" <lane>
>Subject: Re: BIKE: Cedar Street cuts bike locks
>To: Michael Bluejay <bikes>
>Cc: forum, Amy Chambless <achambless>
>Message-ID: <16728.8622.204683.751340>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>I would also be willing to attend. Please keep us posted about time
>and place, if this moves forward. Hell, we could then proceed to a
>more bike-friendly venue for some beers, eh?
>
>I think Michael's idea about how UT handled the sitch' would be an
>excellent suggestion for Cedar St. Also, are there any signs up there
>to let cyclists know (a) to not lock up bikes there, and preferably
>(b) where to lock up bikes? That might also be a good idea --
>certainly more civil than the heavy-handed tactics they currently
>employ. And, you'd think the bright folks there might get a clue
>after cutting a few locks...
>
>BTW, (4) in the list below might be "reimburse Amy's bike lock cost."
>
>-Lane
>
>
>Michael Bluejay writes:
> > I'm in if someone wants to plan a protest. I can't organize it, but
> > I'll show up.
> >
> > If we do have a protest then we should have concrete wishes for what
> > we'd like Cedar Street to do, e.g.
> > (1) provide bike parking,
> > (2) install signage where they don't want bikes parked
> > (3) not cut locks off bikes.
> >
> > One thing that UT used to do (and may still do) if you parked at the
> > Union where they didn't want you to park, was to put their OWN lock on
> > your bike along with an insulting note, telling you to go get the
> > building manager to unlock your bike. Maybe Cedar Street could lock
> > bikes instead of cutting the customers' locks.
> >
> > Regarding Dave's point about the city, there may be a failure by the
> > *City* to aggressively promote bike racks, but not a failure of the
> > City's *Bicycle Program*, since that department has done everything
> > they could to get bike racks out there with limited budget and staff.
> >
> > -MBJ-
> >
> >
> > On Sep 27, 2004, at 3:04 AM, David Dobbs wrote:
> >
> > > I'd be willing to show up with two or three dozen cyclists to give
> > > these tough guys a little bicycle view point on this matter and call
> > > the press about it, too. Signs and noise outside the bar on their
> > > busiest night protesting the mistreatment of a lady would certainly
> > > make the Cedar Street owners very uncomfortable and get a lot of
> > > public sympathy. Downtown doesn't need bad neighbors or more cars on
> > > the street and a press release prepared making these points should be
> > > sent to (a) the media, (b) the Downtown Austin Alliance, (c) the
> > > Chamber of Commerce, and (d) Austin City Council Members. Television
> > > would love a protest like this as it would be very visual.
> > >
> > > This would also spotlight the failure of the city to be aggressively
> > > promoting bike racks and the failure of businesses to get bike parking
> > > at little or no expense to them. Bike racks are still free for the
> > > asking from the city, right?
> > >
> > > For the record here, I presume we are talking about the Cedar Street
> > > Courtyard at 208 W Fourth Street? That's the only bar I can find
> > > downtown with "Cedar" in its name.
> > >
> > > Dave Dobbs
> > > ==================
> > > Dave Dobbs
> > > ddobbs
> > > Austin, Texas
> > > ==================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> Thought you all would want to see this....
> > >>
> > >> -MBJ-
> > >>
> > >> ----------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> From: Amy Chambless <achambless>
> > >> Date: September 24, 2004 4:26:22 PM CDT
> > >> To: mail, stgetr, aca,
> > >> BicycleMail, stephen.kreidler,
> > >> info
> > >> Subject: Lack of Racks...
> > >>
> > >> Hello...
> > >>
> > >> I wanted to inform everyone of a "policy" at the Cedar Street
> > >> bar/annex to hopefully prevent what happened to me from happening to
> > >> others.
> > >>
> > >> This past Thursday evening I met co-workers there for happy hour. I
> > >> am a cyclist and rode my bike downtown because I enjoy riding, but
> > >> also to help alleviate some of the traffic and parking congestion
> > >> downtown. Upon my arrival at the Cedar Street bar I discovered there
> > >> are not any bike racks, so I locked my bike to the staircase railing
> > >> that leads down to the outdoor patio. I was conscientious enough to
> > >> ensure that my bike was not in the way of passer-by's or folks coming
> > >> into the bar. Later that evening , when I returned to retrieve my
> > >> bike...it was gone! You can imagine the helplessness I felt
> > >> thinking I was stranded and that someone had stolen my bicycle. I
> > >> approached the door men at Cedar Street and was informed that they
> > >> had cut the lock off my bike and removed it from the premises
> > >> because they felt it was in their way. I explained to them that
> > >> I felt it was wrong to destroy my (or anyone ' s) personal property.
> > >>
> > >> The doormen returned my bike and broken lock, but told me that I was
> > >> lucky that they hadn't just thrown my bike into the street. When I
> > >> requested to speak with the owner about being reimbursed for my lock,
> > >> I was refused with the excuse that he would 'tear me to shreds
> > >> . ' The door men suggested that if I want a place to lock my bike up
> > >> , I should take it up with the city instead. They also told me
> > >> that they cut bike locks all the time .
> > >>
> > >> So, what?...if you park your car in front of the Cedar Street bar
> > >> and they don't like your parking job, will they break your windows
> > >> to move it ? I am appalled that after spending money in thier
> > >> facility that I would be treated so poorly. So much for trying to
> > >> make more parking spaces available for more patrons to visit thier
> > >> bar...which I will never do again.
> > >>
> > >> Be Warned Cyclists,
> > >> Angry and without a bike lock
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Get on or off this list here: http://BicycleAustin.info/list
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Get on or off this list here: http://BicycleAustin.info/list
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Get on or off this list here: http://BicycleAustin.info/list
>
>
>
>
>--
>_______________________________________________________________________
>Lane Wimberley, Wayport, Inc., 512.519.6195 (voice) 512.519.6200 (fax)
>Southpark Commerce Center II, 4509 Freidrich Lane, Austin, TX 78744
>
>
>
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