BIKE: Re: Monorail, Transit, rails-with-trails

[David Dobbs]

At 22:00 +0100 7/20/04, Nick Dalton wrote:
>I agree with Eric on this one.  Personal Rapid Transit is the only thing
>with even faintly offers a service which can break even from the
>ticket cost. The more miles of cheap transit we can build the more
>space on the ground for everyone else.

Unfortunately PRT doesn't exist except in the minds of its 
supporters.  Please refer to http://www.lightrailnow.org for a 
reality check and click the fourth article down on the opening page. 
Thank you.

Dave Dobbs
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Texas Association for Public Transportation
9702 Swansons Ranch Road
Austin, Texas 78748
Ph 512.282.1149

Visit our website at  http://www.lightrailnow.org
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>
>>Bike folks:
>>
>>I have nothing to add to this current mono-rail debate; nor do I wish to
>>dampen this important discussion.
>>
>>However, as far as perfect transit, I am compelled to remind you of
>>Personal Rapid Transit; see:
>>
>>Skyweb Express
>>http://www.skywebexpress.com/index.html
>>
>>Austin Citizens for Personal Rapid Transit
>>http://www.acprt.org/
>>
>>But until its on the ground (soon?, in Duluth, MN?), we have not much to
>>talk about...,
>>
>>While I wait, I slave for light rail in Minneapolis, and more recently
>>here in Austin; Today, I like Cap Metro Commuter Rail (as a start): the
>>red line connecting Mueller, Featherlite and Saltillo District with both
>>Rails AND Trails (Rails-with-Trails or RwT).
>>
>>I am not sure whether -light-, or -commuter-, or -circulator-, or -mono-,
>>or -PRT- will win the day eventually; I just believe that cyclists should
>>strongly support transit, especially that which could add up to one
>>hundred miles of urban off-road bike-commuter pathways (RwT).
>>
>>FFI: on local RwT efforts, contact Austin Metro Trails and Greenways
>>(AMTG):
>>http://www.austintrails.org/ (lacks RwT info)
>>
>>Jeb Boyt <jeboyt>
>>Dave Foster <txcwa>
>>
>>Stay tuned for AMTG sponsored web-based -austin bikeways- map.
>>
>>More transit! Less cars?!
>>
>>Eric Anderson <bikeeric>
>>(512) 476-7304
>>
>>
>>--- Nawdry <nawdry> wrote:
>>>
>>>At 2004-07-18 13:38, Patrick Goetz wrote:
>>>
>>> >The average speed of the LVM is misleading.  This relatively short
>>>system
>>> >includes 7 stops and 4 90-degree turns (see the route map at
>>> >http://www.lvmonorail.com/about_04_fastfacts.html), which is why the
>>> >average speed is so low.  Further, the Las Vegas Review Journal reports
>>>
>>> >that the route is actually 4.4 miles, in which case the average speed
>>> >would be 18.85 mph.
>>> >
>>> >According to the American Public Transportation Association, the
>> > Aaverage
>> > >Street Rail Speed (FY2002) is 15.3 mph
>> > >(http://www.apta.com/research/stats/rail/lrsum.cfm), which includes
>> > lots
>> > >of long straight segments.  The bottom line is that the short,
>>>circuitous,
>>> >many-stopped Las Vegas monorail is still 15-20% faster than the any LRT
>>>
>>> >system in the country, on average.  That's pathetic.
>>>
>>>
>>>This is by far not the most egregious of Patrick's deceptions, but it is
>>>
>>>certainly one of the easiest to cor
>>
>>
>>
>>
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