[BIKE: Relevant to recent discussions]

[Patrick Goetz]

I hereby declare that my response to this message is definitive proof 
that I'm either retarded, crazy, or both.


Mike Dahmus wrote:
> 
> However, that's not what we've been talking about here; we've been 
> talking about barely slowing down.
> 

No, YOU'RE talking about barely slowing down; persistently, and DESPITE 
the fact that everyone you're arguing with has clearly stated that this 
is not what they're talking about.


 >> Now in other countries in the world,(China, Taiwan, Italy to name a
 >> few) those with less laws actually have less accidents,
 >> I.E. with some anarchy on the road. Why, because everyone is paying
 >> attention because they don't expect anyone to behave well or to
 >> follow laws
 >>
 > False analogy. There are incredibly few automobiles in two of those
 > countries, and the speed of traffic in areas where those modes mix is
 > very slow.


How is this a false analogy?  There are plenty of cars in Italy and 
Taiwan, and, at least in Italy, people drive fast.  Rather than being a 
false analogy, this is an extremely perceptive observation.



 > This is absurd. Seriously, when driving 45 mph on a major arterial,
 > there is not time to assess at every intersection (including driveways)
 > whether other people are going to obey the law or not. That's why we
 > have the damn signals to begin with.


This, however, is a false analogy.  You've COMPLETELY missed M.Lee's 
point!  The people who should be paying attention in her comment are the 
ones at the intersections to the arterial, not necessarily the person 
driving down the arterial at 45MPH (although of course these people 
should be paying attention, too).

If I get baited into responding to this nonsense again, anyone on this 
list is authorized to shoot me.