BIKE: How to break the law?

[Michael Bluejay]

Well, actually I remembered wrong -- Idaho law does say you can run a  
red as long as you stop first:

	http://bicycleaustin.info/laws.html

I really need to read my own website more often.

-MBJ-


On Apr 21, 2004, at 9:48 PM, Stuart Werbner wrote:

> Actually, I thought the Idaho law allowed cyclists to treat a stop  
> light as a combination of a stop sign and a yield sign. Hence, you  
> first are supposed to come to a full stop at the intersection, then  
> you could go after yielding to any other traffic having the green  
> light.
>
> If this is the correct interpretation of their law, then I am guilty  
> on some occasions of acting like an Idahoan who has completely  
> forgotten he is now living in Texas.
>
> Are there any Idahoans around?? Or people familiar with the state  
> website?
>
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>> From: Michael Bluejay <bikes>
>> To: Mike Dahmus <mdahmus>
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>> Subject: Re: BIKE: How to break the law?
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>>> I have a real problem with punks ... you're not very intelligent.
>>
>> Umm....
>>
>>
>>> and calling me by my last name in a conversation I'm involved in is  
>>> not helping matters.
>>
>> I apologize, I didn't know this was your preference.  People have  
>> called me by my last name all my life and I've never thought twice  
>> about it.
>>
>>
>>>> This is probably the biggest straw man argument I've ever seen in  
>>>> my life.  Who exactly is it who's advocating that cyclists run stop  
>>>> signs when it's not safe to do so?
>>>
>>> It's never safe to do so. But since you disagree, then I trust  
>>> you'll be with Patrick in pushing for removing the legal requirement  
>>> to stop at all stop signs in the city for motorists as well as  
>>> cyclists. Ready to put your body where your mouth is? Ready to  
>>> assume that the motorist coming up to the stop sign at the cross  
>>> street is going to see you and decide to stop this time?
>>
>> Well then, I assert that this is proof positive that you don't  
>> understand what Patrick and I are talking about.  You simply don't  
>> run the sign when there's a motorist coming up to the sign at a cross  
>> street.  THAT'S what we mean about only running a sign when it's safe  
>> to do so.
>>
>> As far as putting my body where my mouth is by running stop signs,  
>> hello, I do this every day.  And I never have close calls because I  
>> only do it when it's safe to do so.  On the other hand, I've nearly  
>> been hit several times by motorists running red lights, and I've  
>> actually been hit several times by motorists running stop signs.   
>> I've never been hit by a bicyclist.
>>
>> The idea that it is *never* safe to run stop signs is ridiculous.   
>> How exactly do you propose that I will be hit by a nonexistent car?
>>
>> By the way, someone here referred to Idaho's law allowing cyclists to  
>> treat red lights as stop signs.  Actually that's not quite right, the  
>> law allows cyclists to treat stop signs as yield signs.  This brings  
>> up an interesting question, Mike:  Is Idaho's law unsafe, or is it  
>> magically safe because it's not against the law?
>>
>> Love,
>>
>> -MBJ-
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