BIKE: Car-Free Word newsletter | April 20, 2004
Stuart Werbner
stuwerb
Tue Apr 20 19:07:28 PDT 2004
C'mon Dahmus, ease up.
Be careful not to blame bike riders for all of bicycling's ills. For
instance, on the red-light issue, I think it is time for the police (and
lawmakers) here to either start enforcing the same traffic laws for
cyclists, or do what Idaho did. That being letting cyclists treat a stop
light essentially as a stop sign.
While I am very thankful to see that motorists predominantly choose to obey
stop lights, even at times when there are no other cars at the intersection,
I also credit serious police enforcement efforts and hefty fines.
I think that the police and the greater society need to stop treating
bicycles like toys and more like the actual vehicles that they are.
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Stuart Werbner
Annuit Coeptis
"Time for another regime change."
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>Chuck_Thomas wrote:
>
>>It seems to me that hurling 4000lbs of glass, steel and rubber thru an
>>intersection at a high speed on a light that just turned red is a bigger
>>hazard to society than me pedaling thru it after quadruple checking that
>>the coast is clear. Granted both may be bad but why would you consider
>>my offence more grievous?
>>
>"Running the orange" is a matter of education trumping impatience. We'll
>get there sooner or later.
>
>"Running the red" is a matter of your own convenience trumping _everything_
>- it shows a complete lack of respect for the law that requires motorists
>to treat you as a vehicle.
>
>Ask yourself which is worse from a purely motorist perspective: continuing
>to turn left at an intersection even though the light just turned red, or
>running the intersection halfway through the other peoples' green cycle.
>
>You run enough red lights and stop signs, and drivers will, no matter what
>the law says, treat you as a menace.
>
>I've nearly wrecked my car at an intersection near UT because some bozo on
>a bike ran the stop sign. If I were older (worse reflexes), I would have.
>So there you go.
>
>But getting back to the point - 99% of the people in this town drive.
>Pissing off 99% of the population in order to make some point about danger
>is really really really stupid from a pragmatic political perspective.
>Sooner or later, it comes back to bite you in the ass, as it did when our
>UTC chairman voted against bike facilities, using lack of respect for the
>law as his stated reason for doing so.
>
>- MD
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