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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Does the 3 foot passing law apply in the Austin 2 mile ETJ?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>RedFalcon wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>I have thought about pulling a child trailer everywhere figuring that the same thing may happen.&#160; It would be great training for triathlons and long tours, but what a pain.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>You would wear a long wig.&#160; Women also get a wider berth.&#160; Not as much as a kid trailer, but not nearly as hard to pull.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>The&#160; main use for my helmet is for mounting lights.&#160; Even if we all gave up on helmets I think I would still wear one for just this reason.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>I just use a headlamp that straps around my forehead.&#160; Or at least I used to.&#160; I stopped riding at night after Elizabeth English.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>When a car approaches from a side street or driveway I can light up the face of the driver by just pointing my head in that direction.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>You&#039;re right, I&#039;ve long felt that head-mounted lights were superior to handlebar-mounted lights for that reason.&#160; I can also light up street signs when I&#039;m trying to find my way around.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2016 21:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Does the 3 foot passing law apply in the Austin 2 mile ETJ?]]></title>
			<link>https://bicycleaustin.info/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6196#p6196</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>MichaelBluejay wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>That&#039;s certainly a reasonable reason for wearing a helmet.</p><p>I don&#039;t wear one because I think it&#039;s more likely I&#039;ll be hit, since cars pass helmeted cyclists closer.&#160; Also, I&#039;m trying to fight that idea that helmets are synonymous with safety.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>A different strategy.&#160; I have read that wearing a helmet encourages drivers to pass closer.&#160; I have thought about pulling a child trailer everywhere figuring that the same thing may happen.&#160; It would be great training for triathlons and long tours, but what a pain.</p><p>The&#160; main use for my hairnet is for mounting lights.&#160; Even if we all gave up on helmets I think I would still wear one for just this reason.&#160; I have a Niterider 750 mounted on my bars and another Niterider 350 mounted on top of my hat.&#160; I do half of my riding in the dark, so this is really useful.&#160; </p><p>When a car approaches from a side street or driveway I can light up the face of the driver by just pointing my head in that direction.&#160; I know they see me and I can often get a look at the face of the driver.&#160; &#160;During the day I switch to flashy mode.&#160; I have been told by quite a few people that they could see me from a long way away.&#160; I really think this is a big key to safety.</p><p>Again, not to set off a hairnet fight, but wearing a helmet to prevent crashes is like going into a bomb sheltrer to prevent nuclear war.&#160; If you gotta actually use it, it&#039;s already a very bad day.</p><p>After work yesterday I went to the Roto Rooter place and had a very constructive conversation with the Customer Service manager.&#160; She apologized for what happened.&#160; I showed her the video and she gave me her contact info and asked for a copy of it so it can be used in the weekly safety meeting.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2016 19:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Does the 3 foot passing law apply in the Austin 2 mile ETJ?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s certainly a reasonable reason for wearing a helmet.</p><p>I don&#039;t wear one because I think it&#039;s more likely I&#039;ll be hit, since cars pass helmeted cyclists closer.&#160; Also, I&#039;m trying to fight that idea that helmets are synonymous with safety.&#160; Not that I&#039;ll likely make much headway with that, of course, but I certainly won&#039;t make any if I don&#039;t try.&#160; A while back I went to a new doctor who asked about my lifestyle, I mentioned that I biked, she asked if I wore a helmet, I said no, and she actually made the shame gesture at me by rubbing one finger against the other.&#160; I explained that research suggests that helmeted cyclists are more likely to be hit because they&#039;re passed closer, and she opined that she didn&#039;t think her own driving reflected that.&#160; (Wow, anecdotal experience over evidence-based medicine?&#160; Pass.&#160; Next doctor.)</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2016 19:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Does the 3 foot passing law apply in the Austin 2 mile ETJ?]]></title>
			<link>https://bicycleaustin.info/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6193#p6193</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>Wow, you&#039;re not screwing around.</p><p>I like it.</p></div></blockquote></div><br /><p>I have come to think that getting hit again is almost inevitable, no matter how careful I am.&#160; If it happens I want to make absolutely sure that no one can get away with saying I wasn&#039;t visible.&#160; &#160;Also, my new commute takes me around the &#039;deadmans&#039; curves along Bratton lane.&#160; &#160;A bad place to not be visible.&#160; </p><p>Not to inflame the helmet debate, but one of my main reasons for wearing one is similar.&#160; &#160;If I am in a crash that makes the news I don&#039;t want it reported that I was without one.&#160; When I was hit 7 years ago the first question I was asked by Police and EMS was if I had a helmet on.&#160; Too many people have a blame the victim attitude on this.&#160; </p><p>If I get hit again I want to help minimize distractions so just maybe the focus will be on the real cause of the crash.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2016 18:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://bicycleaustin.info/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6192#p6192</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>RedFalcon wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>I always ride (day or night) with at least three tail lights and two headlights.&#160; One of the tail lights is just the video/light combo (Fly6) and not that bright.&#160; The light mounted on my foam hairnet (up high so it can be seen over cars behind me) is a Solas 40 set to blinky.&#160; &#160;The other light is a Bontrager Flare R set on the brightest setting which was designed to be seen from 1 mile away in daylight.&#160; I also wear a reflective safety vest.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Wow, you&#039;re not screwing around.</p><p>I like it.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2016 18:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Does the 3 foot passing law apply in the Austin 2 mile ETJ?]]></title>
			<link>https://bicycleaustin.info/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6190#p6190</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Even if this had been in city of Austin limits proper, the police almost never go back and issue tickets, even after being shown clear video evidence.&#160; The only times they give tickets are 1) if they see the offense themselves, or 2) there was a collision and they investigated, and I suspect that for #2 the guilty party has to actually confess that they did it.</p><p>That said, <a href="http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/CR/htm/CR.14.htm" rel="ugc">reading the rules for arrests</a> (tickets are basically arrests where they then release you immediately), I&#039;m not even sure that #2 is valid for a ticket for a misdemeanor, that a warrant would be required.&#160; But it does still happen, so maybe I&#039;m missing something.</p><p>Sounds like you&#039;re handling it as well as it can be handled.&#160; Good job!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2016 17:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Does the 3 foot passing law apply in the Austin 2 mile ETJ?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I figured that might be the case.&#160; Thanks, though!&#160; </p><p>After work I plan on stopping by the RotoRooter place.&#160; I just got off the phone with their national office.&#160; Apparently, each location has a &#039;safety officer&#039;, so I plan on finding that person.&#160; The national call center person took my info and the info about the truck and said it would be forwarded, but I&#039;m not waiting around for that.&#160; I want this safety officer to see the screen shots and video I took.&#160; I don&#039;t want to hear the &#039;but the driver just didn&#039;t see you&#039; bullshit.&#160; I want this person to see my bike set up.&#160; I always ride (day or night) with at least three tail lights and two headlights.&#160; One of the tail lights is just the video/light combo (Fly6) and not that bright.&#160; The light mounted on my foam hairnet (up high so it can be seen over cars behind me) is a Solas 40 set to blinky.&#160; &#160;The other light is a Bontrager Flare R set on the brightest setting which was designed to be seen from 1 mile away in daylight.&#160; I also wear a reflective safety vest.&#160; </p><p>With my luck the &#039;safety officer&#039; will be on vacation.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2016 17:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Does the 3 foot passing law apply in the Austin 2 mile ETJ?]]></title>
			<link>https://bicycleaustin.info/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6186#p6186</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>City regulations do not apply to the ETJ until the area is annexed &quot;Annexation is the process by which cities extend their municipal services, regulations, voting privileges and taxing authority to new territory.&quot;</p><p>The ETJ is for future Planning and Zoning to basically stop other entities from forming/claiming the territory before the city has the option to do so.&#160; It is not for enforcement of existing city codes:<br /><a href="http://austintexas.gov/edims/document.cfm?id=108895" rel="ugc">http://austintexas.gov/edims/document.cfm?id=108895</a><br /><a href="http://www.austintexas.gov/department/annexation" rel="ugc">http://www.austintexas.gov/department/annexation</a><br /><a href="https://www.austintexas.gov/department/extraterritorial-jurisdiction" rel="ugc">https://www.austintexas.gov/department/ … risdiction</a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2016 16:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Does the 3 foot passing law apply in the Austin 2 mile ETJ?]]></title>
			<link>https://bicycleaustin.info/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=6185#p6185</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday I was riding home heading south on Thomas Sinclair, just north of the Howard lane intersection.&#160; 434&#039; north of it to be exact.&#160; A roto rooter truck passed dangerously and needlessly close to me.&#160; I have proof of it because I have both forward facing and rear facing video cameras.&#160; I have the license plate number of the truck.</p><p>I know that the northern edge of Austin here is Howard lane.&#160; &#160;The area this occurred in is part of the Austin 2 Mile ETJ.&#160; Does anyone know if the 3 foot passing (and I guess in this case it would be the 6 foot passing since this involved a commercial truck) law would apply to this jurisdiction?</p><p>On the ride to work this morning I stopped and measured the width of the road at this point.&#160; It is 27&#039; across.&#160; &#160;I plan on taking this to the roto rooter people and complaining, but I was hoping to get all of my facts in line first.&#160; I know that Governor &#039;Dancing with the Stars But Too Stupid to Recognize A Low Score&#039; vetoed the state version of this law.&#160; &#160;I just want to know if I can apply the 3&#039; law in this situation.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2016 15:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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