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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, sorry, I totally forgot to add that bit originally.&#160; Anyway, I&#039;ll be curious to see whether this affects cases going forward, or if it&#039;s just going to be more of the same.</p>]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I missed that! That&#039;s encouraging. Thanks for the clarification.</p>]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>They tightened that one up, too.&#160; The old wording was:</p><p>&#160; <em>&quot;The operator of a vehicle involved in an accident resulting in injury to or death of a person...&quot;</em></p><p>The new wording is this:</p><p>&#160; <em>&quot;The operator of a vehicle involved in an accident that results <strong>or is reasonably likely to result</strong> in injury to or death of a person...&quot;</em></p><p>Yes, there&#039;s still room for interpretation, but it&#039;s a big improvement over the old wording.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2016 17:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Gabrielle Nestande DWI hit-&-runs Courtney Griffin on Exposition, 2011]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>There&#039;s still a loophole of sorts, even with the increased penalty: prosecutors still have to prove you knew you hit somebody.</p><p>Nestande was was found <strong>not guilty</strong> of failure to stop and render aid.&#160; Her main defense was she said she didn&#039;t know it was a person that she struck.&#160; You would think a caved-in windshield with hair &amp; skin tissue in the cracks would be evidence enough, but I guess prosecutors could not convince the jury.&#160; <a href="http://bicycleaustin.info/forum/viewtopic.php?id=975" rel="ugc">Others have used the same defense successfully.</a>&#160; </p><p>So, sadly, there will be cases where the increased penalty won&#039;t help anything.</p><p>(of course there&#039;s always one other incentive to running: you might get away with it!)</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2016 17:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Gabrielle Nestande DWI hit-&-runs Courtney Griffin on Exposition, 2011]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m not sure if we ever discussed it on the forum, but following the high-profile Nestande case (i.e, probably as a result of it), the legislature upped the penalty for hit-and-run fatalities from 2nd degree to 3rd degree, and upped the penalty for injuries to 2nd degree.</p><p>Before the change, there was an incentive for intoxicated drivers to leave the scene and get sobered up before getting caught, because the penalty for intoxicated manslaughter was higher than for hit-and-run fatalities.&#160; Now they&#039;re both the same, so there&#039;s no more incentive for drivers to flee.</p><p>So, this closes what is called the &quot;Nestande Loophole&quot;.</p><p>As always, the text of the law is on Bicycle Austin&#039;s <a href="http://bicycleaustin.info/laws/tx-car.html" rel="ugc">traffic laws</a> page.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2016 05:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Gabrielle Nestande DWI hit-&-runs Courtney Griffin on Exposition, 2011]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>MichaelBluejay wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>And it&#039;s still not over...Nestande <a href="http://www.kvue.com/news/Gabrielle-Nestande-assaulted-in-jail-222889831.html" rel="ugc">just got assaulted in jail</a>.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Well, looking at it that way ... it won&#039;t be over until she&#039;s done with her jail and probation time, and even then it will never really be over as she now has a felony on her record which will haunt her for the rest of her life.&#160; (Unless the governor pardons her or something, which should be unlikely -- she was well connected, but not that well connected.)</p><p>That said, <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/Austin/comments/1m0ib6/nestande_mistaken_for_a_deer_by_fellow_inmate/" rel="ugc">here&#039;s some headline win</a> -- &quot;Nestande mistaken for a deer by fellow inmate&quot;.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 09 Sep 2013 16:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Gabrielle Nestande DWI hit-&-runs Courtney Griffin on Exposition, 2011]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>And it&#039;s still not over...Nestande <a href="http://www.kvue.com/news/Gabrielle-Nestande-assaulted-in-jail-222889831.html" rel="ugc">just got assaulted in jail</a>.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 09 Sep 2013 06:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Gabrielle Nestande DWI hit-&-runs Courtney Griffin on Exposition, 2011]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I am glad to report that its not yet over for Nestande:&#160; <a href="http://www.kvue.com/news/local/Father-of-Nestande-victim-sues-Clive-Bar-208820591.html" rel="ugc">http://www.kvue.com/news/local/Father-o … 20591.html</a></p><p>Don in Austin</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 16:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;d love to see her have to ride a bike for transportation, or walk.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Okay.&#160; I was unaware that Texas courts would ever even consider a real license revocation.&#160; I had really always felt that a Texas court would sentence someone to death before even considering revoking a license.&#160; In that case, I&#039;ll fall right in line with you.&#160; Though I still feel more comfortable with a known drunk driver sitting in a jail cell for a while.&#160; Not comfortable, really (who can be when Brodie and Barton Springs are non-negotiable parts of their commute), but more so.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2013 18:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I think you need to read my post again.&#160; The fact that license revocation isn&#039;t 100% effective is irrelevant to the points I was making.&#160; People get their licenses revoked in other, less serious cases, and the courts don&#039;t worry about efficacy, they just do it.&#160; The reason courts don&#039;t revoke licenses in cases like these is not because they think it won&#039;t be effective, but rather because either revocation never occurs to them, or else they think that revocation is going too far, that it&#039;s drastic.&#160; Whatever the efficacy, people who kill other road users should not have the *right* to drive, whether that actually keeps them from driving.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2013 17:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Nothing stops anyone from driving so much as a prison sentence.&#160; Take away their license and they can still get behind a wheel.&#160; We don&#039;t yet have the level of surveillance that would allow the police to point a gadget at a car on the road and have the gadget report back that the driver doesn&#039;t have a license.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2013 15:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s good news that the judge added to the jury&#039;s light sentence.&#160; And yet, Nestande is still allowed to drive.&#160; At the risk of sounding like a broken record, if you kill another road user, you ought to lose your right to drive, permanently.</p><p>To stop her from drinking and driving, the courts are focusing on the drinking part.&#160; It never occurs to them to focus on the driving part.&#160; Taking away someone&#039;s right to drive must seem unconstitutional as it would be Cruel and Unusual Punishment.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 23:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Maximized the sentence in every respect and even apologized for the crappy verdict.</p><p><a href="http://www.myfoxaustin.com/story/21785091/nestande-sentenced-to-180-days-in-jail" rel="ugc">http://www.myfoxaustin.com/story/217850 … ys-in-jail</a></p><p>Don in Austin</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Donald Lewis)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 22:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Augenwinkel wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Here&#039;s something I read in one of the articles that I believe needs more air time: whereas jurors can see themselves in that driver&#039;s position, they cannot see themselves as that pedestrian or cyclist, because they do not generally walk or cycle. For this reason, jurors hand out lenient sentences to someone who &quot;accidentally&quot; hit and killed a person and feels remorse. The only solution to this is for more people to walk and cycle more often. Then they will be able to see things from the cyclists&#039;/walkers&#039; perspective, rather than from the drivers&#039;, and then they will be more likely to side with the victim and hand out a tougher sentence (license revocation should be available).</p><p>People don&#039;t see driving as an inherently dangerous activity that carries with it the responsibility to take enormous care of everything around you. People see walking and cycling as inherently dangerous activities during which you need to protect yourself in every way possible. This perverse mindset is what has to change. I think the wheels are slowly turning. When we educate more children to walk and cycle (by using Safe Routes to School and cycle tracks), we are training a generation of people to love active transportation. They will be the ones to demand infrastructure and stricter legal protection.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Exactly. Our car headed culture needs more cycling and pedestrian experiences so that they have sympathy and empathy for others using different means. A common belief is that in places such as the Netherlands and Portland, they have experienced decreed auto/cycling accidents because most drivers are also cyclists, at some level of involvement. They are able to relate to the different perspectives of pedestrian, cyclist, motorist and everyone is safer because of this. Cycling as viable transportation is also an accepted and a common part of their cultures.<br />We should continue to ask for, create, and live walkable, bikeable community here in Austin.</p><p>And well put on the view of driving as inherently dangerous and the perverse twist our culture has taken.<br />And hope for the future via our younger Austinites.</p><p>Indeed, agreed.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 23:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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