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			<title><![CDATA[TXDoT needs a plan for carpooling or group transit for its employees]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Laws for thee, not laws for me.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2025 22:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Questions on Travis Country Circle to Barton Skyway route]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>dougmc wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>The City of Austin has talked about adding a pedestrian bridge over the greenbelt, but so far that hasn&#039;t happened.&#160; There&#039;s sidewalks now on the Mopac frotnage road most of the way between Wm Cannon and Barton Springs going north -- not ideal for biking, but acceptable if you don&#039;t like taking the lane.&#160; Going South there&#039;s fewer sidewalks and more places where you have to take the lane.&#160; It&#039;s sort of a chicken-egg problem, as most cyclists are scared off by Mopac over the greenbelt, so there&#039;s few cyclists to show the need for this bridge and further bicycle improvements north and south of it, but I do think that if the bridge was added they&#039;d see a lot more traffic, which would help pave the way for other improvements.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Ran into this again, fourteen years later.</p><p>* Seven years later, the city built that pedestrian bridge.&#160; Two of them, in fact -- over the greenbelt and 360.&#160; And they are great.<br />* And in addition to to that, they&#039;re more recently improved the VC trail South of here, added sidewalks on 290 out towards the Y, etc.<br />* Still a lot to do, however.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 09 Apr 2024 00:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Thoughts on Shoal Creek Trail Gaps Connectivity Project?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Chris, thank you very much for the detailed writeup!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2023 06:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[San Antonio to Austin in 3 or 4 days]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Similarly, I worked out the route on my own for weekend recreation rides when I moved south in 2002, finding the old Bikecentennial map later.&#160; Not a lot of options.&#160; Until recent 1626 construction, I modified it for my own rides by taking from Buda 967 to Cole Springs Rd. (or Old Black Colony Rd.) to 1626 (then right on 2770 toward Mountain City) instead of 2770 to cross 1626, but it&#039;s a bit longer and 1626 is busier and the routes have more turns, so for a recommended route I wouldn&#039;t bother even though that skips over the 2770 part that is more likely to have passing gravel trucks.&#160; 967 all the way to 1626 works well too, even longer.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2020 23:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Help create a bike-friendly map of Austin with the Ride Report app]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Darron wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><div class="quotebox"><cite>Jack wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Perhaps we will find a great deal of useful information on what routes riders find comfortable to and from well-off neighborhoods and good job sites and maybe that trickles down to other riders as well.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>I agree, just looking at the strava data there is a bias to a higher volume of information on the more affluent areas of the city but that doesn&#039;t mean the data for less affluent areas doesn&#039;t exist or is not useful.&#160; So even if the guy hauling janitorial supplies doesn&#039;t&#039; have an iphone there appears to be enough people who do riding the same route in the same areas to generate useful data.&#160; Smart phone usage is at 72% in the US (source: pewglobal.com) so by default this doesn&#039;t include just the affluent part of society no matter if you use mean or median income as a ruler.</p><p>D</p></div></blockquote></div><p>&#160; <a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214140518305590?via%3Dihub" rel="ugc">https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a … via%3Dihub</a>&#160; <br />On that point about possible bias: Journal of Transportation and Health for Dec. 2019 has an article by<br />Garber Watkins and Kramer on &quot;Comparing bicyclists who use smartphone apps to record rides with those who do not: Implications for representativeness and selection bias&quot;<br />noting reasons to think there would be a bias in the data gleaned from apps and suggesting ways to correct for the bias.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Jack)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Nov 2019 02:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Percentage of commuters bicycling to work]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I looked up the stats and found that we&#039;re making essentially no progress.</p><p>Whenever the percentage goes up a tiny amount, various outlets <a href="https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2014/cb14-86.html" rel="ugc">trumpet it as big news</a>, but the percentage is so tiny to begin with, after any increase it&#039;s still tiny.&#160; E.g., if we *doubled* Austin&#039;s bike commuting rate, we&#039;d be at a piddling 2.4%.&#160; It reminds me of the famous quote by Curly of The Three Stooges:&#160; &quot;Two times nothin&#039; is nothin&#039;!&quot;</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>Percentage of workers who bike to work</code></pre></div><p>&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Austin&#160; &#160;U.S.<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; ----------------------<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 2017&#160; &#160; &#160;1.2&#160; &#160; &#160;0.5<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 2016&#160; &#160; &#160;1.5&#160; &#160; &#160;0.6<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 2015&#160; &#160; &#160;1.3&#160; &#160; &#160;0.6<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 2014&#160; &#160; &#160;1.3&#160; &#160; &#160;0.6<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 2013&#160; &#160; &#160;1.4&#160; &#160; &#160;0.6<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 2012&#160; &#160; &#160;1.6&#160; &#160; &#160;0.6<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 2011&#160; &#160; &#160;1.9&#160; &#160; &#160;0.6<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 2010&#160; &#160; &#160;1.0&#160; &#160; &#160;0.5<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 2009&#160; &#160; &#160;1.0&#160; &#160; &#160;0.6<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 2008&#160; &#160; &#160;1.3&#160; &#160; &#160;0.5<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 2007&#160; &#160; &#160;0.9&#160; &#160; &#160;0.5<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 2006&#160; &#160; &#160;0.9&#160; &#160; &#160;0.5<br />&#160; &#160; &#160; 2005&#160; &#160; &#160;1.3&#160; &#160; &#160;0.4</p><p>You can see the drop from 2012-13 when I stopped biking.</p><p><em>Source: <a href="https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/nav/jsf/pages/searchresults.xhtml" rel="ugc">American Community Survey</a> (project of U.S. Census)</em></p><br /><div class="codebox"><pre><code>Cities doing way better than Austin</code></pre></div><p>&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; <span class="postimg"><img src="https://www.census.gov/content/census/en/library/stories/2019/05/younger-workers-in-cities-more-likely-to-bike-to-work/jcr:content/par/image_523880373.uscbimg.576.medium.jpg/1557844242352.jpg" alt="1557844242352.jpg" /></span></p><br /><div class="codebox"><pre><code>Cities with the biggest gains in bike commuting</code></pre></div><p>&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; <span class="postimg"><img src="https://peopleforbikes.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/bikemodesharenewest.png" alt="bikemodesharenewest.png" /></span><br /><em>Source: <a href="https://peopleforbikes.org/blog/bike-commuting-growing-or-shrinking-in-the-united-states/" rel="ugc">People for Bikes</a></em></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (MichaelBluejay)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2019 04:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Round Rock commute to downtown Austin. Route ideas please!]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>From 620 / Oakland I would ride east through the back of the business center that is on north side of 620.&#160; Cross at the light onto Deep Wood drive and head south.&#160; You can either stay on it all the way to McNeil, or part way you can jump onto the Round Rock West Greenbelt trail.&#160; I used to have to do this to get back from a series of Dr appointments years ago.&#160; &#160;Seems like that trail had speed bumps on it, but maybe I&#039;m wrong.</p><p>Once you get to McNeil, head south on CR 172.&#160; It is not the funnest place to ride, but at least it is four lanes. </p><p>Option 1: Stay on CR 172 until it crosses over 1325 and turns into Quickhill and then turn left on Grand Avenue.&#160; Go east on Grand Avenue for .28 miles and turn right (south) onto Cadoz Drive.&#160; Turn left on Shoreline Drive to hook back up to Bratton.&#160; &#160;From there, follow the instructions I posted before - but in reverse.</p><p>Option 2:</p><p>Get off CR 172 at 1/2 mile turning east on Hesters Crossing, then Sundance Parkway, then La Frontera.&#160; If you go this way you will want to turn east on the 45 feeder to Parker Drive and then turn right (south).&#160; Don&#039;t try and ride on 1325.&#160; From Parker Drive 1/3 mile to Jarret way which turns into Michael Angelo Way.&#160; Next, head south on Bratton for another 1/3 mile.&#160; Keep going straight at the new road &quot;Pearson&#039;.&#160; This will intersect Grand Avenue (new section).&#160; Turn south on Crissom, left (east) on Sauls, and you are back at Bratton without getting killed on the &#039;deadmans curves&#039;.&#160; &#160;Take Bratton South.&#160; &#160; From there, follow the instructions I posted before - but in reverse.</p><p>If you don&#039;t already use it, check out mapmyride.com.&#160; I have found that the satellite images here are more up to date than on google maps. Also it lets you measure routes.&#160; </p><p>If you can do it, I recommend leaving before rush hour traffic.&#160; I leave from Parmer / Mopac at 0545 and get to La Frontera / Hesters Crossing in about 30 minutes and probably only cross paths with about 10 cars the whole way.&#160; The worst part is the last mile on CR 172, but even that isn&#039;t too bad usually, but stay off 1325.&#160; I have tried riding 1325 and the stress just isn&#039;t worth it to me.&#160; The speeds are easily 60+mph and there is no shoulder. The traffic tends to platoon, so even if the front driver changes lanes to pass you the guy behind him wont see you until the last second. </p><p>Also, check out Cap Metro route 50 and 52 in Round Rock and Redline train at Howard for multi-mode options.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2019 19:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Routes from Austin for road bike]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Jack wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>This may help a bit too, maupertius:&#160; <a href="https://austin.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=c7fecf32a2d946fabdf062285d58d40c&amp;extent=3052120.7123%2C10036958.1486%2C3179054.0456%2C10097891.4819%2C102739" rel="ugc">https://austin.maps.arcgis.com/apps/web … 9%2C102739</a> (City of Austin bicycle route map)</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Thanks, this is very useful and should help me getting out of town safely!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2019 09:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Looking for an Austin to San Antonio-Alamodome route]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Jack wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><div class="quotebox"><cite>Jack wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>update:&#160; just before the end of the year, the bridge has a temporary fix installed.&#160; Two railroad cars fitted into the gap for a one-lane bridge.&#160; Probably would be slippery with dew on it, but it&#039;s a good fix for now.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>update to update:&#160; bridge is down again--looks like a new bridge is being built.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Update part III:&#160; the new bridge recently has been completed and that route to San Marcos is clear again.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2018 22:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[City of Austin Bicycle Map 2017 update]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>owlman wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Sharing a lane with freeway speed traffic should always be the lowest category in my opinion.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Absolutely!</p><p>Doesn&#039;t it feel awkward when you have to state the obvious?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2017 22:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Help update the official Austin Bike Route Map]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>RedFalcon wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Not sure how the comfort level of the roads is determined and made standard across the city.&#160; &#160;It seems this is pretty subjective.&#160; What I may find uncomfortable you might think is just fine.&#160; Also, the time of day makes a difference.&#160; Does anyone know how all of that gets ironed out?&#160; &#160;I don&#039;t care that the map matches MY comfort level as much as it is consistent across the city.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>When they changed comfort levels in 2013 I got this chart from the city explaining the new levels: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/Y8VVXR7.png" rel="ugc">http://i.imgur.com/Y8VVXR7.png</a>.&#160; No idea if they&#039;re still using the same criteria.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2017 20:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[South First from river to Ben White --- WHY????]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>MichaelBluejay wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>My very first day, going down Speedway, another student yelled at me, &quot;YOU&#039;RE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD!&quot;</p></div></blockquote></div><p>And maybe you are alive today because someone taught you what to do.&#160; Don&#039;t give up on this fight.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2017 02:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Scope of Big Jump Project]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Whatever we can get is good, but visit Portland, Oregon and you will see how dramatically behind Austin is!</p><p>Don</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Donald Lewis)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2017 02:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Best route to get from Rundberg/Lamar to St. David's 32nd]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Not sure, it&#039;s been a while since I went that way.&#160; At 6am you might just stay on Guadalupe.&#160; I was thinking later when getting on less traveled road might be more pleasant.&#160; I guess I would just stay on Guadalupe unless traffic was nasty.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Commuting from North Central Austin to Veloway]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I can&#039;t really comment on the routes south of the river but I&#039;ve found that looking at the Strava Heat Maps will give you a good indication of routes often used by commuters:<br /><a href="http://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#13/-97.82158/30.23134/blue/bike" rel="ugc">http://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#13/-97. … /blue/bike</a></p><p>South 5th St seems to be a well traveled route south of the river.&#160; The the popular route seems to be Barton Skyway&gt;Garden Villa&gt;Banister Ln&gt;Redd St&gt;Pack Saddle Pass&gt;Either Westgate or Brodie&gt;Slaughter</p><p>Darron</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2016 16:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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